The Battle Over a North Carolina Beach Continues
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Why it's Not "Equal" to You
Submitted by Ted Williams (not verified) on Fri, 2012/09/14 - 10:14am.
Of course it’s “not equal” to you. That’s because you don’t understand that less than 50 percent for ORV access during critical times for wildlife doesn’t translate to an “advantage” for wildlife. ORVs don’t have to breed on the beach, raise young on the beach, feed on the beach, deal with alien predators on the beach, stage for migration on the beach. ORV access increases when wildlife use decreases. And if you imagine that ORV advocates are treated unfairly at Cape Hatteras National Seashore, compare access there to access at other national seashores like. Cape Canaveral, for instance, (zero) or Cape Cod (approaching zero most of the time).
ORV beach driving in OBX
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2012/09/13 - 4:04pm.
The terminology of Motorheads or people driving huge off road vehicles on the beach is nonsense.I have been visiting the Outerbanks for 33 years and the visitors, specifically the fishing public and locals do more to preserve nature on the island then anywhere else i have ever visited.Think about it who has more interest in preserving what they actually utilize, and cherish more than the outdoor enthusiast and locals who visit Hatteras Island! The majority of the uneducated comments seem to obviously come from people with no knowledge of the situation.Keep sending your hard earned money to organizations that are more interested in money and power then nature and people.
"Preserving Nature" as Defined by ORV Advocates
Submitted by Ted Williams (not verified) on Thu, 2012/09/13 - 5:45pm.
In their own words here and in their printed literature and blogs ORV users define “preserving nature” as picking up trash left by others, including other ORV users. Sorry, that doesn’t cut it.
Cape Hatteras National Parking Lot by the Sea
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2012/09/12 - 5:57pm.
The comment on this blog that the pro ORV side is spewing their lies and getting their clientele to contact congress, using thosw lies as talking points, is correct. The more they tell their lies, the more they believe them.and the unknowing clientele knows no better.
All we can hope is that the followers of Audubon across this nation speak up and let the real facts be known, else the squeaky wheel of ORV greed will get greased and we will be at fault for not educating the public with the real facts.
Right, the OBPA sued for big
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2012/09/12 - 12:29pm.
Right, the OBPA sued for big bucks. They're raking in the cash, not. You morons just don't get it, these new policies have gone to far, are not based on sound science, and poorly developed. No one is saying remove the policies or regulations, but make them not so extreme. There is LARGE group of Americans, (and your reading all their complaints) they routinely visit CHNSRA that have experienced the new policies and are not happy about it. They know that it did not have to be this extreme to provide adequate species protections. They know the NPS went to far with the "pedestrian only areas" that are really used as access control tool. They don't think the thousands of new "NO" signs are necessary and take away from the beauty of HI. They now see the NPS made these policies to achieve Audubon and DOI's agenda to remove people Hatteras. AND they will not give up easily.
More right wing conspiracy theories
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Thu, 2012/09/13 - 12:10pm.
"They now see the NPS made these policies to achieve Audubon and DOI's agenda to remove people Hatteras."
Amazing you ORVers just cant step out of character, just have to come up with some tea party right wing conspiracy theory, just like a magician pulling a rabbit out of a hat.
I don't have a clue how much money the OBPA, NCBBA, CHAC have gathered and how much other organizations have contributed because it is not easily accessible. I know Dare County commissioners co-signed with the legal proceedings and have already used a bunch of my tax money in legal fees and that really pisses me off. Any day now I expect some county car to come down highway 12 with one of those huge third world speakers telling everyone to call their congressmen and sign a petition condemning the NPS, or else!
If the regs are rescinded it won't be just the wildlife that will suffer. The shoulder seasons for vehicle free areas in front of the villages will be shrunk back to 4 months and there will be no vehicle free areas in the Park during the other 8 months. The reason why pedestrians can't access a good part of the shoreline during nesting season now is because the powerful local organizations (NCBBA, CHAC, OBPA) want it that way. They were and still are afraid that if people get used to walking (like they did when the park was opened) that beach driving soon won't be an issue for visitors. Even with the ugly signs and stupid restrictions that keep pedestrians from walking the tideline to get around closed resource areas, visitors to the park are still coming and by all appearances telling their friends what a great place CHNS.
You don't have to drive a car on the beach to engage in recreational activities in this park. The entire shoreline of PINWR is a perfect example of that, easily accessed by foot with literally 100's of people doing that on a daily basis. There are some places in CHNS where walking is difficult (couple of miles) (but fine for the fit). None of the environmental organizations (Audubon or Defenders) sought or stated they wanted all beach driving in the park stopped. The ORV access organizations have always been the side that won't cooperate or compromise. The bill before congress is a perfect example of that.
Your right the OBPA lawyers got a big check from the goverment when they won the first critical habitat lawsuit, not the OBPA.
The whining lying BS
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2012/09/12 - 11:03am.
The whining lying BS that these people spew is beyond reproach. On their 24/7 dedicated local radio propaganda loop they actually state that the main reason Audubon and Defenders sued the government (and won) was so the environmental lawyers could bill the government to make big bucks. This is hypocritical because the wreckrecreational ORVers did exactly the same thing (and got paid for it from the government) when they sued over critical habitat. It is as if they tore a page out of a National Socialist German Workers' Party propaganda manual.
The local tackle shop and ORV message boards, national ORV and fishing associations and blogs are telling their readers exactly who to write in congress. Their members are retelling congress all lies and misinformation to get the final rule ( ORV regs) rescinded. Then they can go about the business of turning the National Seashore back into their own ORV Recreational Beach Club.
LOL. Well this is certainly
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 2012/09/28 - 8:51am.
LOL. Well this is certainly the pot calling the kettle black. OF COURSE THEY ARE. And this is also exactly what the NAS and the DOW do. They send out "urgent need!" mass postings giving their readers and anyone who happens to stumble across it on the internet, the exact words to use or copy to send to every politician. All froups, pro or con, on all issues use this method.
Before you chastise the ORV groups for doing something you should really look in the mirror. We learned from the best!
Cape Hatteras/ORV
Submitted by Cathy (not verified) on Wed, 2012/09/12 - 9:43am.
I live in Delaware where our national seashore park works for both the wildlife and ORV's. Our Piping Plover nesting area is closed during their nesting period and then re-opened later. None of the ORV fishermen have ever complained because no matter where they put their poles in the water, there is always a great time to be had. Delaware also requires a special license plate (paid) yearly. They also must be actively involved in Surf Fishing, if not the park patrol can, and does issue citations, revoke your surf tag and removal from the beach. Come see what a success Delaware is.
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If that were true it might.
If that were true it might. The reality is there is still plenty of parking for non ORVers to access VFAs in the park. The proff of which is the excellent tourist season that Hatteras Island And Ocracoke island are continuing to have.